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What with the recent 200th anniversary of Trafalgar, a lot of attention has been paid of late to the customs and traditions of the Royal Navy of Nelson's era. Now, as anyone who reads Patrick O'Brian will know, one such custom was the payment of 'prize money' to the captain and crew of a ship that seized an enemy vessel. The scheme of payment varied, but a ship's captain could, if everything worked out, take a quarter or more of the prize's value.

I mention this because HMS Cumberland has been in the news recently after her crew seized drugs with a street value of £200,000,000. If I was CO Cumberland I'd certainly be sending a signal to the First Sea Lord respectfully suggesting that in the spirit of Trafalgar 200, one more old custom should be resurrected...

It would probably be argued that the prize system only works if the prize has a legally marketable value. However, a bit more digging shows that in the early nineteenth century, the Royal Navy paid prize money in respect of the capture of slave ships so as to encourage suppression of the slave trade. If we take that as precedent, then a scheme where HMG pays, say, 1% of the street value of drugs seized to the crew of the ship involved should prove a wonderful incentive to further such engagements; £2M would go a long way amongst the complement of a T22 frigate.

I also found an interesting analysis of the motivational benefit of the prize system in the context of the social structure of Nelson's navy - well worth a look if you're into that sort of thing.

Date: 2005-11-02 09:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] antonia-tiger.livejournal.com
Of course, this means that the personnel of the Royal Navy will have an incentive to plant drugs on ships...

Though if the Prize Money is based on the value of the drugs, not the ship involved, and at a small percentage of the "street value", getting the drugs to plant would cost far more than any reward.

And we might even see a bit less hyping of "street value".

On the other hand, there more to it all than prize money (http://www.sfu.ca/~allen/navy2.pdf).

I saw the video of the capture

Date: 2005-11-02 11:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rhubarbfool.livejournal.com
on the bbc news site. I liked the Captain's comment of the guys on the speedboat with 200 million quids of cocaine "were reluctant to stop.". Also the idea of sniping a boats engines on moving water from a helicopter sounded pretty tough do you know if this is a standard technique.

Re: I saw the video of the capture

Date: 2008-07-02 03:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] latexiron.livejournal.com
the idea of sniping a boats engines on moving water from a helicopter

Well look at it this way - open fire on the engine compartment, and even if you don't immobilise the engines, if the boat is holed it's going to start to sink. Sooner or later they're going to HAVE to stop, or go down with the ship.

Date: 2005-11-02 11:08 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] watervole.livejournal.com
BAinbridge makes some interesting comments, though he's clearly unaware of the origins of the sanctuary laws which are an interesting field in themselves.

THere were religious sanctauries with quite strict rules and I suspect the one mentioned in Post Captain is some kind of a relic of this system.

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