On that note, I don't get the Rails hate here. If you look at Rails and Django, the vast majority of the developers - as in, contributors to the core source-control repositories, not the many 'client developers' if if you like - are working fulltime in web-application development. Django came out of a newspapers' newsroom, actually. The two web frameworks getting all the hype *strengthen* your argument, not weaken it - the developer community is the core of the user community.
Equally true with the infrastructural stuff that came out of LJ (perlbal, mogile etc) too, come to think of it.
Sure, there are fanboys/fangirls, but doesn't everyone just channel them out? That's what Slashdot/Digg are for - fly-paper. The Django blogs anyone actually reads are http://www.b-list.org/ and http://www.simonwillison.net/ - both of which tend right towards the nitty-gritty.
And we both know doing the Web right is hard. You've read the REST book, yeah? The thing is, a lot of the complexity isn't in the code, it's in the design and information architecture. So maybe it's not "difficult" in the way hacking on the Linux kernel is, but that's just because the complexity's been moved, not abolished.
Sure, DHH, the lead developer of Rails, is spectacularly... opinionated, but that happens everywhere. In fact, the business he works for/part-owns, 37 Signals, is not backward about coming forward.
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Equally true with the infrastructural stuff that came out of LJ (perlbal, mogile etc) too, come to think of it.
Sure, there are fanboys/fangirls, but doesn't everyone just channel them out? That's what Slashdot/Digg are for - fly-paper. The Django blogs anyone actually reads are http://www.b-list.org/ and http://www.simonwillison.net/ - both of which tend right towards the nitty-gritty.
And we both know doing the Web right is hard. You've read the REST book, yeah? The thing is, a lot of the complexity isn't in the code, it's in the design and information architecture. So maybe it's not "difficult" in the way hacking on the Linux kernel is, but that's just because the complexity's been moved, not abolished.
Sure, DHH, the lead developer of Rails, is spectacularly... opinionated, but that happens everywhere. In fact, the business he works for/part-owns, 37 Signals, is not backward about coming forward.